Misfire 3.7, 4.7 Dodge or Jeep – Falling Rocker Arm Problem

10:52 am Chry. 4.7 Problems, Consumer, Jeep

Dennis Bandy and his 2007 Dodge Dakota truck
Summary: A severe misfire with a 3.7 or 4.7 Dodge or Jeep vehicle that is accompanied with an engine noise on the top end and backfiring through the intake or exhaust could have a fallen rocker arm. This is becoming a quite common and somewhat puzzling occurrence. Learn what the leading cause of this problem is and if the repair could possibly be covered by the manufacturer’s warranty. Owners of a 3.7 or 4.7, discover what steps can be taken to help prevent this problem from occurring in their vehicles.
A misfire alone doesn’t necessarily mean that a rocker arm has suddenly fell out of place. More common causes of a misfire could be a bad coil, worn plug or plugged injector. However, many 3.7 and 4.7 engines are having problems with the rocker arm falling out of place and this is very disturbing! I personally find this troubling because I own a 2007 Dodge Dakota with a 4.7 V8. When I learned of this increasingly common issue, I set out to find the cause, the fix and steps that I can take to prevent this from happening with my truck. A misfire with a “rocker arm out of place” will be a very severe and notable misfire. There will also be a popping noise that’s most likely a backfire through the intake or exhaust. The rocker arm could be laying on the top of the head – out of commission.
It’s important to know that Chrysler does offer a 7 year/70,000 mile drive-train warranty on some vehicles between 2005 and 2007. Engine or transmission problems may be covered after paying  a $100.00 deductible. Maintenance records are likely to be required because claims for failures resulting from lack of maintenance will surely be denied (i.e. sludge). It’s best to determine if there is any warranty in place prior to starting with “tear down”. Have the VIN number handy and call 800-CHRYSLER (800-247-9753) or 877-IAM-JEEP (877-426-5337). Your local car dealer’s service department will be able to check the warranty status as well.
The first step is to scan for an engine fault code. The CEL (Check Engine Light) will surely be flashing indicating a severe misfire. Flashing CEL’s also mean that if driving continues the catalytic converter can be damaged quickly since there’s so much raw fuel being burned inside it. The fault code will pinpoint the cylinder that has the problem. For example a “P0302” means the number two cylinder has a misfire. There’s no sense in removing both valve covers because the side can be determined by checking the firing order and locating the bank which has the problem. After the valve cover is removed, inspect for sludge, a broken valve spring and quite possibly a “FALLEN ROCKER ARM”.
Dodge/Jeep 4.7 Firing Order

The general consensus among several master techs that I discussed this problem with is “the main cause of  a fallen rocker arm in a 3.7 or 4.7 is from excessive carbon build up.” Carbon build up on the valve stem can cause the valves to stick momentarily. If the valve sticks for a fraction of a second too long, the rocker arm can be allowed enough clearance to fall. Other causes can be faulty valve seats or worn or defective valve springs.

Preventing Rocker Arms from Falling

One indication of carbon build up is a slight tapping noise. Usually the tapping sound can be more pronounced when cold. Detergents used today in fuel may not be enough to reduce carbon build up on 3.7 and 4.7 engines. Using an additive occasionally may be beneficial as a preventative measure. If the carbon is already built up to the point that there’s tapping, running a fuel injection cleaner through the engine may be more effective. Look at the related links below for the Fuel Injection Cleaner Kit made by OTC that every 3.7 and 4.7 owner should have. One way of knowing for sure how much difference an additive makes is to check the valves through the spark plug holes with a borescope or video camera before and after running the additive or cleaner. When it comes to falling rocker arms in these engines, one thing seems to be for sure… “an ounce of prevention can be worth a pound of cure.”

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93 Responses
  1. angela :

    Date: November 17, 2015 @ 2:05 pm

    I have a 2006 dodge durango 4.7 with 178K miles. It has had a rapping tapping noise at startup that seems to go away after a few minutes since about 120K miles. Last week the CEL came on, went off for a day, came on again, off again, this morning it was on again so I hurried to autozone to get codes. They said P0300 and P0058 B2 S2. I am also definitely due for an oil change. My question is could these codes be related to the tapping noise? And if a seperate issue what might the tapping be? Also, if I’ve gotten sludgey from my slackness changing the oil what can I do to desludge? I appreciate any help!! Thank you

  2. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: November 17, 2015 @ 2:15 pm

    Sludge can definitely cause noise since the oil cannot lubricate everything as quickly as it should be able to. Oil not getting to lifters or lifters leaking down may also cause misfires in some cases. De-sludging can cause the pick-up screen to get clogged up. So if you really want to try to de-sludge be prepared to remove the oil pan and replace the pick-up screen. There’s really no substitute for regular maintenance and any wear that has already occurred cannot be undone. Good Luck.

  3. Mark Woodward :

    Date: December 2, 2015 @ 1:10 pm

    I have a 2002 Dodge Ram 4.7L with 106,000 miles. I have reinstalled the hydraulic lifters on 2 different positions. I have used seafoam and other off the shelf cleaners to clean valve cover, cam shafts, lifters and springs but the heads still have grime/dark stained areas that have me concerned. I’m in the process of replacing all 16 hydraulic lifters and have heard that you can spray kerosene or an ATF into the exposed cam area that will better clean the head oil/water ports. Have you heard of doing this? If so, would you recommend this process or something different? I DO NOT want to pull the heads. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

  4. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: December 2, 2015 @ 2:53 pm

    Cleaning an engine that is gunked up can cause the pick-up screen to get clogged. Which would require the oil pan to be removed to access and remove the pick-up screen. I’d avoid trying to clean it unless you’re prepared to remove the oil pan. Good Luck.

  5. Justin :

    Date: December 30, 2015 @ 2:08 am

    Currently working on a 2011 ram 1500 3.7

    Customer stated there has been a light ticking that over the last 2 years several local shops to Houston TX have told him was lifter tap and could not be repaired, some stating it is normal. Well, the ticking became tapping became popping became a hole in the right side valve cover and a parking lot oil slick.

    After disassemble and inspect, I found a rocker fallen, and a frozen lash adjuster… and the bore of the lash adjuster split in 4 pieces all the way to the bottom.

  6. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: December 30, 2015 @ 10:22 am

    Hammer time huh? Not sure why those shops would think nothing could be done.

  7. Tim :

    Date: January 3, 2016 @ 1:21 pm

    Number 3 cylinder spark plug looked crushed what is wrong with my 3.7 motor it’s also locked up

  8. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: January 4, 2016 @ 8:10 am

    Something loose in cylinder. Most likely a piece of valve. Inspection will reveal. Good Luck.

  9. Tedkilroy :

    Date: January 14, 2016 @ 2:27 pm

    2005 Dakota 3.7 has P0303 replaced plugs, coil pack and injector. Found injector pig tail (1) pin cable burnt.

    What burns the pig tail? CEL comes and goes always P0303, thanks.

  10. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: January 14, 2016 @ 2:38 pm

    Haven’t heard of that particular problem with this application. But usually, burnt electrical terminals in a harness (AKA pigtail) would be loose connections. These circuits would most likely blow a fuse if there was some sort of short. But loose connections generate excessive heat that would show burn marks and eventually a loss of connection (open circuit) causing an injector circuit fault, not a P0303 misfire code. The typical cause of “misfire codes” like P0303, is a spark plug, a coil or an injector not spraying properly. Since you’ve already replaced those, I’d suspect a valve or ring issue. May do a compression test and go from there. Good Luck.

  11. Tedkilroy :

    Date: January 14, 2016 @ 2:47 pm

    Did a compression test and that cylinder was 150. Only thing that stood out was the burnt pin of the pig tail.

    If I overhaul the engine in the future is the top end of the valve addressed?

  12. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: January 14, 2016 @ 2:56 pm

    I’d check compression on all cylinders. Too much of a variance, generally more than 10% is not good. Also inspect the plug itself in case oil is getting to it and fouling – just a thought. If rebuilding, I’d replace all lifters and keep the oil changed often and full in between oil changes. Should be good. Good Luck.

  13. paulg :

    Date: January 26, 2016 @ 9:10 am

    2007 Grand Cherokee 4.7L w/ 90k miles. Engine overheated and replaced waterpump. After that repair their was a bad knocking and #8 cylinder fault. Took to shop and they removed cover to see fallen rocker arm on #8 exhaust. Got new lifter and compared to one from vehicle and it looked like it was stuck fully out. Replaced lifter and rocker arm still very loose. Shop says the exhaust valve is stuck open and it is either dropped seat or excessive carbon build up. They said either way it needs a valve job ($2900). Does that sound right?

  14. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: January 26, 2016 @ 10:16 am

    Certainly plausible. However, I’d call around and compare cost estimates in your area to see if prices are in line. Good Luck.

  15. JasonH :

    Date: February 25, 2016 @ 8:01 pm

    2002 Dodge Ram 1500 4.7. Has thrown 2 rockers. After putting them back on, it threw one of them again. The lifter and rocker were replaced. Since then (3000 miles ago), there have been no problems. I am going to replace the lifters. Do you know which manufacturer makes the best lifters for this motor? Am also considering replacing the rockers. Ford’s 4.6 definitely has the same lifters…would the rockers be the same? If so, would I do well to replace the rockers with a Ford aftermarket design, as there seems to be limited options with Dodge? I’ve also noticed the hole placement on the original rockers (for the 4.7) is different from what is being sold now. Do you know why? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

  16. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: February 26, 2016 @ 9:07 am

    I would stick with the OEM parts. Updated versions would be supplied if available from OEM. Any incorrect parts from Ford could possible cause problems/damage. Keep a close watch on oil level and condition. Good Luck.

  17. Mad at Jeep :

    Date: March 10, 2016 @ 5:04 pm

    2005 Grand Cherokee 3.7, replaced spark plugs and now fuel injectors stopped working on left side? Checked and rechecked all wires and fuses.

  18. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: March 10, 2016 @ 6:28 pm

    If they were working before you changed plugs, then more than likely you have unplugged or damaged the FI harness. Sometimes the wires can break inside and the wire insulation can be intact. I would retrace work to inspect for damaged wires or unplugged harness. If that checks out. I’d pull codes and check for TSB’s. I’d get a wiring diagram and see what all injectors on left side have in common. Good Luck.

  19. Donald :

    Date: July 1, 2016 @ 3:57 pm

    I have a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee that has cold start engine noise then goes away after warm up what do I do and how much will it cost

  20. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: July 1, 2016 @ 4:05 pm

    Hello Donald, sorry not enough information to diagnose. Maybe simple but could mean engine work. I’d take it to a local technician that has the benefit of checking the engine in person. Good Luck.

  21. Dakota miss :

    Date: July 11, 2016 @ 11:26 am

    I’ve just bought a 2004 Dakota with a miss on cylinder #5, 3.7 engine. Took it to an auto shop and they found a fallen rocker arm and due to mileage 197k they suggested an engine swap. I took it home and got new lifters and rocker arms online. After putting new ones and running for few minutes, the rocker arm felt again. The valve top looks like it is a little lower than the others, like the spring still a little compressed even without the rocker arm in place. Any thoughts?

  22. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: July 11, 2016 @ 12:12 pm

    I’d examine the spring closely, it could be broken or weak. Good Luck.

  23. allen :

    Date: August 3, 2016 @ 12:25 pm

    Had the same problem turned out to be a valve seat that dropped out of the head….. Took it out and luckily we caught it before the engine swallowed it and spit it out ,
    Which would have been disastrous.

  24. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: August 3, 2016 @ 12:31 pm

    Allen, good luck. BTW for others reading. We finally have the less expensive alternative to the Miller 8387 and 8516A all in one tool. See the following link.

  25. jr :

    Date: August 13, 2016 @ 7:49 pm

    2004 durango 4.7 random misfire might do it today everytime i drive it might not do it for next 2 days

  26. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: August 14, 2016 @ 8:15 am

    I’d start with basics. Spark plugs and coil for the cylinder that misfires. If you want to verify it’s a coil before replacing, you can swap with one beside it and see if the code moves. If there’s tapping, lifters could be getting worn and leaking down too much. We have a lot of customers that change their own lifters with the 3747-13 which is similar to the 8516A Miller.

  27. Ernie :

    Date: September 1, 2016 @ 12:26 am

    So what’s your overall opinion of the 3.7 long term dependability? Thinking about doing a trade for one 2008 ram 1500 , 6 speed. Not sure about dodges

  28. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: September 1, 2016 @ 7:27 am

    I personally think both the Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge 3.7 and 4.7 are good engines. The 3.7 is just like the 8 cylinder but two less cylinders (same design). Since it’s based on the 8’s design so much; there’s one problem that it has that the 8 does not. The 3.7 6cyl shakes. Something about the two less cylinders causes it to vibrate until RPM’s are raised. It almost feels like a misfire even-though nothing has to be wrong with it to feel a vibration. I only had the one 4.7 engine. It was in a 2007 Dodge Dakota and I had no problems with it, although I did trade before it had too many miles (way under 100,000 mi.). If I was going to buy one with a lot of miles, especially over a 100k, I would want to make sure the engine is not gunky inside from too few of oil changes. I’d listen to the engine from a “cold” start. Noises like lifters can be hidden sometimes if the seller warms the engine up before a potential buyer comes to test drive. I’d also notice if either one of the valve covers have been off recently. A recently removed valve cover on a 3.7 or 4.7 could mean that there’s a “rocker arm popping off” problem. They could just put it back in place without doing lifters or anything and sell the vehicle to an unsuspecting person. I’d also inspect coolant to see if that was changed often enough. I’d run the engine 20-25 minutes while looking the truck over. If there’s a leaky or outright “blown” head gasket you may see evidence coming from the tailpipe or excessive bubbles going into the coolant reservoir. I’d also find out as much as I could about maintenance and the vehicle’s history etc. It depends on how long they had it and how honest they are about revealing problems. I’ve had many buyers of used vehicles ask me after the title and money has exchanged hands “Now that it’s mine and the deal is done… do you know of anything that it needs?” Hopefully you are a good judge of character and are somewhat knowledgeable about inspecting and finding problems before you get to that point. Good Luck.

  29. Bryan :

    Date: September 24, 2016 @ 9:00 pm

    I have a. Commander with a 3.7 and am getting misfire and knock noise about 2 seconds apart on left side of motor, sounds to me that it may be fallen rocker issue I’ve seen other people have. I have taken good care of motor oil changes every 3000 miles with good oil. Is this fix I could do myself and what tools would I need.

  30. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: October 15, 2016 @ 10:43 am

    Bryan, I’d pull the valve cover and see if the rocker has fallen or not. We sell the 3747-123 that would help you put it back if it has fallen. The tool 3747-123 also would work for replacing the valve spring if needed. Make sure to follow service manual procedures though if doing the spring because there’s a risk of dropping the valve if you don’t do it correctly. We have many many customers that do these repairs. Just a little common sense and experience needed and ability to follow instructions. Good Luck.

  31. Tom :

    Date: October 19, 2016 @ 7:14 am

    2006 Commander, 88,000 miles. Always maintained, oil changed every 3000. It developed a #5 cylinder misfire which became a loud rocker tap. I removed the valve covers to inspect. Nothing was loose, and no rockers had fallen off. I replaced all 8 lash adjusters. Made no difference, still tapping on #5 cylinder.
    Your thoughts?

  32. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: October 19, 2016 @ 7:19 am

    If it’s coming form the top end, possibly worn valves.

  33. charlie :

    Date: December 26, 2016 @ 10:14 pm

    Does the 2012 3.7 have the same rocker arm problem?

  34. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: December 27, 2016 @ 10:19 am

    Sorry Charlie, not sure. Could have been a design change that may have corrected this issue. But was unable to verify. Perhaps your local dealer’s service department could advise?

  35. Catdaddy :

    Date: December 27, 2016 @ 2:18 pm

    After seeing a number of rockers falling off on these engines, I did some research. If you can keep the lifters from bleeding down while sitting you can stop the rockers from falling off. You can’t, but you can install a #10 or #12 flat washer under each lifter (stick it to the base of the lifter with grease and reinstall lifter) and decrease the clearance when the lifter bleeds down. Works on 3,7 and 4,7.

  36. Catdaddy :

    Date: December 27, 2016 @ 2:23 pm

    Of course, this does not prevent the problem of dropped valve seats. If you find a rocker off, check the installed height on that valve. If it is low, the seat has dropped. Engine repairs are necessary. Jasper has fixed this issue on their engines by installing seat with several times more interference in the fit.

  37. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: December 27, 2016 @ 2:59 pm

  38. Calvin :

    Date: December 27, 2016 @ 4:27 pm

    Rocker arm came through valve cover last night. Truck runs a little rough with a misfire. What can I do to get a new valve cover? Will the rocker arm be OK?

  39. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: December 28, 2016 @ 7:16 am

    Calvin, your options are to purchase a new valve cover from the dealer or find one used at a local parts store. Obviously used would be less expensive. Inpect the rocker arm for damage. Pick up one of those too if needed. You’ll be able to inspect with the valve cover off. Hopefully nothing else is damaged. I’d also plan on replacing the hydraulic lifter. Replace all if you can, but at least the one for that cylinder. A bad lifter could have caused the problem to begin with. Make sure to never run the engine low on oil and keep the oil changed regularly. You’ll also need a Rocker Arm Tool to re-install the rocker arm without damaging the camshaft. http://www.denlorstools.com/home/dt1/page_92515/win_valve_spring-rocker_arm_tool_similar_to_10102_.html

  40. Dan :

    Date: March 15, 2017 @ 5:23 pm

    Good comments. I just bought a 2001 Durango with 159,000 miles with this problem. I had prior knowledge of this problem, so I’m hoping for an easy fix. #5 cylinder has zero compression so I’m figuring a valve is either stuck open or a broken valve spring. I’m taking the valve cover off it when I get home from work today to see what happened.

  41. dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :

    Date: March 15, 2017 @ 6:05 pm

    Good Luck!

  42. Jeeper :

    Date: March 31, 2017 @ 2:52 pm

    What did you find out. I have the same problem and both lifters are stuck open on one cylinder which has zero compression. Any assist would be greatly appreciated!

  43. Jeeper :

    Date: April 1, 2017 @ 9:17 am

    Solved: 4.7 had 0 compression on number 2 cylinder with dry and wet test. All other cylinders had 120lbs. Found both lifters stuck. Replaced and reassembled for under 30.00 for complete repair. Hope this helps someone!

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