3.5 Nissan Engine Noise – Tapping at Cold Start Up
September 5, 2009 10:34 am Auto Technician / Mechanic, Automotive Consumer, Service Writer 
Summary: In this article we point out a common problem with Nissan automobiles equipped with the 3.5 Liter engine that causes engine tapping noises typically on cold start up. The engine has variable timing cam sprockets, three timing chains, three tensioners and three guides. Vehicles subject to similar issues may include Nissan Altima, Maxima, Murano, 350Z, Infiniti G35, G37, EX, FX, M series and QX4.
Nissan has stated before that a slight tap on cold start up that lasts for only a second is normal and acceptable. The tapping noise the vehicle in this auto repair blog had lasted much longer than that. When the car was allowed to cool down prior to starting, a tapping noise was present as long as the car was kept at idle; when the idle was raised to 1500 RPM’s he tapping would fade away. The noise when listened to with a stethoscope seemed to be coming mainly from the right bank near the firewall. This vehicle had excessive movement in the main timing chain from wear in the chain and guides. The main timing chain tensioner is pushed out to tighten the chain by engine oil pressure. The higher the RPM’s the more oil pressure is supplied. It also ratchets out like a self adjuster (similar to an adjuster for drum brakes) to maintain adjustment as wear occurs. As the chain and guides wear over time it ratchets out further and further. Once there is so much wear that it cannot extend any more, only the oil pressure from the engine pushing the tensioner, can reduce some of the excessive chain movement. That’s why at higher RPM’s the rattling subsides. Also as the engine warms up, more oil is circulated and heat expansion can help to reduce the play somewhat. The simplest way to check for excessive timing chain wear is to remove the rear access cover that will reveal the main timing chain tensioner. If the adjustment seems to be fully extended out of it’s bore – most likely the timing chain and guides have excessive wear causing the problem.

Other Possible Causes
This is not to say that the only possible cause of a rattle upon cold start up is the main timing chain and guides. The most obvious cause of this condition would simply be low oil level. Not surprising, if there’s not enough oil circulating in the engine it will make noise! Also an engine that hasn’t had regular oil changes can become sludged and oil passages, including the one that leads to the timing chain tensioner can become restricted. Also Nissan has had some problems with variable timing sprockets making noise sometimes and some tensioners that weren’t up to par. It’s important to diagnose the particular problem at hand and not assume that this is definitely the cause, but checking for a loose main timing chain is one of the most logical places to start.
The Fix
The confirmed fix for the car in this article (2004 Maxima 101,000 miles) was the primary timing chain, guides and tensioner. The job normally calls for about 11 book hours which includes removing the exhaust, starter, AC compressor and upper oil pan. The repair was done without removing those components which saved a lot of time.
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Thomas@Los Angeles Nissan :
Date: October 6, 2009 @ 1:11 pm
11 book hours sounds like an enormous amount of work! What happens if you just let it be I wonder?
dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :
Date: October 6, 2009 @ 8:10 pm
Thomas, it would continue to gradually make more and more noise. If let go until it jumps timing – bent valves would probably be the result, requiring at least new timing chains AND rebuilt cylinder heads.
jose :
Date: November 13, 2009 @ 7:07 pm
My maxima keeps jumping time. I have changed the tensioner and guides. the chain doesnt seem to be stretched and it still jumps time. Can somebody help me?
dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :
Date: November 14, 2009 @ 8:34 am
Jose, As long as the chains, tensioners and guides have been changed and the timing is set up properly when it is all installed; I don’t really see how it could jump very easily. The main tensioner does work from engine oil pressure, so if the oil pressure is low this could allow some slack in the chain.
jose :
Date: November 14, 2009 @ 3:52 pm
Would I need a new oil pump if the oil pressure is low? What would cause the oil pressure to go down? Wouldnt the oil pressure light come on if it was low?
We have put the car together two times and it only starts at the first crank, then when we turn it off and crank it again it jumps time and it wont start.
dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :
Date: November 14, 2009 @ 4:34 pm
I can imagine how frustrating it is to have a continuing problem like you’ve described. This is a huge job to re-do.
Oil pump pressure can be low due to a bad oil pump or excessive bearing wear. The oil light should come on if the pressure is low. The water pump is also driven by the chain – excessive movement or play can allow for the chain to possibly jump teeth.
You may want to use our ask a question page to ask a Nissan technician for his advice. Usually at any given time there are many technicians to choose to ask – I would look for someone with dealer experience with Nissans.
ryan :
Date: December 16, 2009 @ 11:29 pm
I am having this problem right now with my 04 maxima. Like you are saying off a cold start only. it only has 70k. Is it worth being proactive and fixing the guides and tensioner?? and is $1500 a fair price??
dennisb - Auto Tool Sales :
Date: December 17, 2009 @ 7:52 am
Ryan, assuming the oil level is full and it is in good condition and the noise is still present, I would plan on getting the repair as soon as feasible. $1500 is probably about right – have a written estimate prepared giving you a detailed breakdown of the labor hours, shop rate, individual parts to be replaced and so forth. With this estimate in hand you can compare with other shops in your area to see if the price is in line or not. Ultimately choose the shop you trust, don’t base your decision solely on the lowest estimate.